Why don't uploaders offer multiple hosts?

[Lazarus]

Whenever I offer something for download, I try to make it available on at least two hosts and often three.
I do this because I've got premium accounts on those services anyway. Yea, it takes a bit more time to upload to multiple services, but it seems like the decent thing to do.

So, I'm curious why more uploaders don't do this? Especially now when it seems there are as many as five different services being used (datafile, rapidgator, keep2share, fboom, and now ********).

I realize that not everyone can afford multiple premium accounts and that's fine. I certainly don't get a premium account for every service. But, few uploaders offer multiple downloads and it's hard to believe all of them are financially tight on cash.

Is there a financial benefit/payback for sending people to only one service? Or are there some other positive reasons why this is being done? (I can think of the negative ones on my own).

 

[Sturmgeist]

Laziness/greed is all I can think of...

 

[BOZZOO]

Whenever I offer something for download, I try to make it available on at least two hosts and often three.
I do this because I've got premium accounts on those services anyway. Yea, it takes a bit more time to upload to multiple services, but it seems like the decent thing to do.

So, I'm curious why more uploaders don't do this? Especially now when it seems there are as many as five different services being used (datafile, rapidgator, keep2share, fboom, and now ********).

I realize that not everyone can afford multiple premium accounts and that's fine. I certainly don't get a premium account for every service. But, few uploaders offer multiple downloads and it's hard to believe all of them are financially tight on cash.

Is there a financial benefit/payback for sending people to only one service? Or are there some other positive reasons why this is being done? (I can think of the negative ones on my own).

thanks for up'lding to 2 or more hosts...BUT...

ur wasting ur time w/ this issue. ive asked about it many times and the best i could get was a heaping pile of bullshit reasons as to why, or completely ignored. the bullshit was to protect the individuals own cash flow, and doubtful KK got even a small amount of the money.

 

[Lazarus]

I am ignorant on how one makes money off of serving files off of these services. How does that work and why is it more beneficial to only use one host? Are payouts proportionately larger as the downloads increase? In other words, do you make a more offering X downloads off of one host instead of X/2 off of two hosts, and, if so, does it make that much of a difference?

There seems to be cultural, unwritten laws here about not re-posting content on other file-hosts while the original poster is still actively contributing. Maybe that should change to allow others to repost on at least one other host if the original poster does not (if not immediately, then after a certain number of days have elapsed). It's particularly frustrating when the poster changes hosts in the middle without a good reason such as the original service went out of business. Then, it does seem more about greed and I'm not inclined to respect their ownership of the thread.

I'm not opposed to someone being compensated for their time and effort, particularly for posting material no longer available, but if this is just a money-making venture for some posters, I'd rather reward the original creators/models who invested the most energy and encourage them to produce more material. (I try to anyway as good parasites don't kill their host but that's a whole other topic).

 

[sicilian]

chrome://mega/content/secure.html

This host is owned by kim dotcom.As far as I know it never deletes files and can be used up to 50GB for free.I realize that some people depend on income from uploading because in some cases they have paid for the content and want to make their money back that's fine,but for those who don't care about making anything back this seems like a good option and will get rid of these small time pesky models who run their own sites and monitor the net to report their stuff.

 

[agnios]

I generally post on one service only because my bandwidth is upstream limited to 100k a second, and it takes a long ass time for me to upload stuff. I always make my content free on whatever host I post to however.

The reason why this is a big deal, is that when I am uploading stuff it basically shuts down my internet because it is using all of my upstream bandwidth to do the file transfers and doesn't leave any available for any other internet activities for either myself or anyone else on my subnet.

 

[Sturmgeist]

I always upload to 2 or 3 hosts. It gives people the best options when you're sharing the porn you have with them. I honestly don't know how people are making anything but pennys off monetizing using these hosts. I've checked out their deals, seems like you need a friggin bazillion downloads for it to even matter.

The reasons mods/staff of this site only offer 1 host for their premium only threads is easily ascertained- they want people to buy premium accounts with as many hosts as possible so the board can generate maximum revenue. If they offered links with multiple hosts at a time, that would give people options, and that would mean less people buying multiple premium accounts = less money earned.

Addendum- As Agnios pointed out, slow upload speed is a major factor as well. Actually, that's one of the main reasons I stopped uploading myself.

 

[BOZZOO]

I am ignorant on how one makes money off of serving files off of these services. How does that work and why is it more beneficial to only use one host?

the poster/site signs up to be an affiliate/partner/whatever the hosting site calls them. then theyre assigned a url and evey time someone buys a premium acct. thru that url, the poster/site gets a portion of the money. some file hosts offer to pay the poster/site per d'l also or a combination of sales and d'ls. the bigger the files, to a point, the bigger the portion, and the posters geographical location play a part in the size of the payout per sales/d'l.

as to why only one, im scratchin my head on that 1 too.

hence "premium only" files.

As Agnios pointed out, slow upload speed is a major factor as well.

and how do ya like datafiles 1 HOUR wait time? so, technically, its not a "premium only" post.

 

[edvikt]

1, My upload is slow as shit.
2. Keep2share deleted my files WAY too quickly when I tried it for a week or two.
3. ******** does not offer an ftp upload service.

Basically, I try out all of the services, and I use the ones I prefer. It's really that simple.

 

[RandomChance]

Whenever I offer something for download, I try to make it available on at least two hosts and often three.
I do this because I've got premium accounts on those services anyway. Yea, it takes a bit more time to upload to multiple services, but it seems like the decent thing to do.

So, I'm curious why more uploaders don't do this?

If you don't post a lot of content, it's quite easy to upload to multiple hosts. In my main thread elsewhere, I've used up to 4 hosts per post in the past. But after awhile, I got tired of spending so much of my time re-upping all of those files. Plus it didn't help when both UL and K2S killed off my accounts. And don't even get me started on what Rapidshare did to my 1 TB+ account!

In the case of K2S. the account wasn't generating enough money to maintain a premium account. So even if they hadn't killed it off, the links would have eventually died anyways unless I paid for a premium account. Compare that to that my RG account, which pays for itself despite my not posting a single RG link in well over a year.

Even if I wanted to add a K2S mirror to all of my content posted here, it would literally take me at least a 100+ hours re-zipping up the files and then uploading them, not to mention the hours of time I would have to spend editing those links in. Same with renaming them.

Certain hosts make it easier to re-up files, so I ultimately end up using those hosts. Datafile offers 30 TB of storage, which is 10-30x more than most other hosts. Datafile also has a very powerful editing feature which makes renaming files in bulk ultra fast and easy. Perhaps most importantly is that Datafile, like Upstore, doesn't automatically remove content when it's reported. They tend to verify before removal, something far too many hosts won't do.

There seems to be cultural, unwritten laws here about not re-posting content on other file-hosts while the original poster is still actively contributing.

This is common practice for just about every forum out there. Chan boards are about the only place that allows it. Hell, I've had many people over the years complain to me when someone on a forum I mod is reposting their material on a completely different forum! Even back in the so-called "sharing is caring" RS days, people would intentionally report each other links so that they could post their own links and earn some rapid points. Not allowing people to repost other's material helps keep that sort of thing in check.

chrome://mega/content/secure.html

This host is owned by kim dotcom.As far as I know it never deletes files

Mega deletes content all the time. Probably 1 in 5 Mega links I click on is dead.

It's particularly frustrating when the poster changes hosts in the middle without a good reason such as the original service went out of business. Then, it does seem more about greed and I'm not inclined to respect their ownership of the thread.

I could not agree more!

 

[Lazarus]

I have appreciated a lot of the reasoned responses. Nice to see in what could have been a more heated topic. There are some understandably good reasons why some posters only use one host . Certainly, for those uploading a ton of content and/or those who have slow connections, it makes perfect sense. There are some that upload so much content, I honestly don't know they are able to do it to even one host.

On the other hand, there are also probably some cases where posters are being a bit more self-centered than I appreciate. Switching mid-stream with no good reason is the one that I appreciate least. I can understand there might be cases where they had a good reason to switch. A post explaining why would go a long way to gaining appreciation for the change.

After thinking a bit more, I think the root of the problem is the unchecked number of "supported" file hosts. KK now seems to be allowing five which is well beyond what is reasonable. If there were, for example, only two, then it wouldn't be as much of a burden for the average person to get accounts with each and it wouldn't matter so much if posters only used one or the other.

 

[RandomChance]

KK now seems to be allowing five which is well beyond what is reasonable

There are only 4 primary hosts here. Some seem to think RG is still one but it's not.

 

[Sly_Fry]

Given people's various up speeds and the amount of time it would take, I do think it would be unfair to require people to use multiple hosts. We, as downloaders, can sometimes find it easy to overlook or under-estimate the amount of time it takes to upload and post.

That being said, there is ONE rule I would like to see KK implement. Keeping singles threads to a single host! There are currently active threads that use 3-4 different Hosts! That's insane, and comes across as nothing more than trying to force people to purchase many premium accounts to rip a single thread.

 

[BOZZOO]

That's insane, and comes across as nothing more than trying to force people to purchase many premium accounts to rip a single thread.

ding ding ding...what does he win, johnny? why do ya think they refuse listen to anyone thats not a mod on this issue. ur wasting ur time.

 

[edvikt]

Yeah, I don't do that. I always stick to one I like. If I'm trying a new host, I will continue uploading to the other previous host until I make a decision about the host I'm testing. If I end up liking the tested host more, I will begin replacing every single previous link with a link from the new host.

 

[RandomChance]

That being said, there is ONE rule I would like to see KK implement. Keeping singles threads to a single host! There are currently active threads that use 3-4 different Hosts! That's insane, and comes across as nothing more than trying to force people to purchase many premium accounts to rip a single thread.

Some do it because they have problems with the file host, like mass unwarranted deletions. I've experienced that one personally. Others do it because they aren't happy with the sales or because a newer host offers a better user interface. And others do it because they want to cash in whenever a forum offers up a shiny new host for people to use. But honestly, I don't think anyone actually changes hosts in an attempt to force someone to buy a multiple accounts from them.

Mostly, people will go through their threads and re-up it all to the new host in order to prevent the old host from making money off of them. You see, some hosts will delete your account for various violations but they will not delete the links. So anytime someone buys an account from one of those links, or if there is a rebill attached to it, the host keeps all the loot.

 

[Sly_Fry]

Some do it because they have problems with the file host, like mass unwarranted deletions. I've experienced that one personally. Others do it because they aren't happy with the sales or because a newer host offers a better user interface. And others do it because they want to cash in whenever a forum offers up a shiny new host for people to use. But honestly, I don't think anyone actually changes hosts in an attempt to force someone to buy a multiple accounts from them.

Mostly, people will go through their threads and re-up it all to the new host in order to prevent the old host from making money off of them. You see, some hosts will delete your account for various violations but they will not delete the links. So anytime someone buys an account from one of those links, or if there is a rebill attached to it, the host keeps all the loot.

You make some good points, although I imagine the truth of the matter lies somewhere in the middle. Meaning most probably do have legitimate reasons for switching hosts, but I'd imagine that there are atleast a few who switch it up purely for hopes of profit.

Can still be frustrating either way....

Not naming names, not the purpose of this thread and I DO respect the amount of time it takes to upload, but one particular uploader used K2S exclusively, and was a BIG factor in me getting a K2S account again, then right after that he decided Meagiron was his new thing, and only posts on that host. I'm now stuck with a K2S account I paid for that have little use for. No warning, no "guys, if you buy k2s in support of this thread I'll be switching hosts in a couple weeks", just...S.O.L.

That leads to difficulty in supporting the board sometimes...not lack of want or appreciation, lack of stability. in my time here there's been maybe 8-9 required hosts, half of them are obsolete now. Not always in your control, but with some of these hosts being a little...let's say "shady", one can become skeptical. Datafile for example...claims to be $13 for a month, but they have hidden fees and processing fees and "overseas" fees...it costs me almost $21!! Big upgrade the 13 they advertise.

 

[BOZZOO]

My input once again as a previous complaint before is when it comes to premium only posts. That is when it should be MANDATORY 2 hosts of the designated "big 4". Then it reduces the math to 50% chance of having host versus 25%. (a factor in opting in buying host service to gain ratio)

same thing i proposed a year ago, but here we are still talking about it. (well, the members are talking about it, admins are ignoring.) same thing is going to happen this time too.

Shrek said in the chatbox that there were NO sales today. hmmm, maybe the members are starting to do likewise.

 

[RandomChance]

$21 a month for DATAFILE? WTF?

 

[The_Doctor]

I don't get why staff is telling people to buy from their filehost referral, but all of their posts are uploaded to a filehost different than the one in their sig. Just sayin'